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Catty economists

Who knew?

A couple years ago, media-shy Robert Shiller and Karl “Chip” Case released, to much fanfare, their “S&P/Case-Shiller® Home Price Indices”. These indices (I prefer the word “indexes”) are a way to measure investors beliefs as to the direction of the US real estate market, by geographical region.

For example, there is a Boston index which, in a report issued at of the end of August, 2007, for the 2nd-quarter, 2007, showed that investors believe that the local real estate market will suffer an annual rate of decline of 3.9% (Boston, in this case, is really “Greater Boston”, although the boundaries are not defined). (This same index shows that Boston has had a 171% 71% increase in home prices, since the year 2000.)

Everyone loves quoting the index!

However, it is based on woefully incomplete data. It only includes single-family homes, for one thing (no condos or co-ops). It doesn’t include new homes, only resales, for another.

Is it worth using? Sure, but it’s like anything. You should add it to your base of knowledge, use it when making your decision on whether or not to buy a home, and when.

So, a couple days ago, it was announced that there was a new kid in town.

Created by Radar Logic, the index enables investors to bet on the future values of real estate in New York City and 24 other metropolises. It is the second attempt to create a market where large investors such as hedge funds, and eventually individual people, can bet on the future of real estate prices much in the way that investors now bet on the future prices of commodities like corn and gold.

“What this will do is give you an ongoing view of what’s happening in the real estate marketplace,” a vice president at GFI Group in charge of U.S. real estate derivatives, Philip Barker, said. “The market for Radar Logic is gaining liquidity much faster than anything we’ve seen on the residential side before.”

What did Shiller/Case think of its new competitor?

Mr. Case, who has been involved with research into real estate indices since the 1980s, said the RPX caters more toward dealers, but includes more “unpredictable random error” by using complex mathematics to calculate the values on a daily basis.

“They add fancy math, but they don’t add data,” he said.

With a sniveling snear, no doubt!

Zing!

Who knew economists could be so catty!

Mr Case is wrong. It does add new data, it adds condo sales and it adds resales.

Which is much more relevant to you and me, no?

Source: Amid Market Uncertainty, a New Hedge – By Bradley Hope, The New York Sun

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10 Responses to “Catty economists” »»

  1. Comment by Lintel | 09/21/07 at 8:31 pm

    A correction to the Boston S&P/Case-Shiller (SPCS) statistic you cited. The Boston

    SPCS index in january 200 was set at 100.0. It is now 171.00. The gain since January 2000 is 71%.

    The Boston boundaries are outlined in the SPCS methodology. Yes, Radar Logic does include new

    sales data that SPCS does not.

  2. Comment by anon | 09/21/07 at 11:08 pm

    I think

    Mr. Case was saying that they don’t add new data in order to arrive at the daily change in values.

    He has a good point. The volume of daily sales is low enough that it’s borderline ridiculous to

    try and track it at that frequency.

  3. Comment by Jonathan Miller | 09/22/07 at 11:44 am

    Hi John – love your

    post!

    Anon II – You might want to take a look at our methodology disclosures on our web

    site. Your comment or interpretation is actually incorrect and I don’t think thats what Professor

    Case was saying. The whole point of the index is to add new data every day. Thats how our daily

    price indices are generated.

  4. Comment by Robert | 09/23/07 at 2:36 am

    And the reason I shouldn’t wait 6-12 months before I even consider buying is what?

  5. Comment by John A Keith | 09/23/07 at 10:11 am

    Because you

    need a place to live? I don’t know, I suggest asking the other people who are buying now what is

    their motivation.

  6. Comment by Robert | 09/23/07 at 11:16 am

    I have done just that out of

    curiosity over the past several months. Buyers now seem to fall into two groups. The first

    consists of those who are wealthy enough to not care if the value of their home goes down. They

    want to live in a specific area regardless of the high likelihood of monetary loss.
    The second

    are uninformed. They have been conditioned to fear ever increasing prices despite all available

    data to the contrary. Once informed, a majority of these people choose to rent.

  7. Comment by John K | 09/23/07 at 12:01 pm

    The others are rich and/or ignorant. Maybe.

    It sounds as though you’ve done all the research and concluded that buying isn’t right

    for you. For others, it is, and I don’t agree that they aren’t making wise decisions. If you are

    thinking of buying in New Bedford, Hadley, Chelsea, or Springfield, maybe you’re right. I don’t

    see much chance of a significant drop in prices within Boston, however.

    By the way, I have

    never had a client buy because they “thought prices would continue to appreciate.” They buy because

    they want a place to live, safe and secure, and that they own.

  8. Comment by Robert | 09/23/07 at 5:02 pm

    “I don’t see much chance of a significant drop in

    prices within Boston, however.”

    Perhaps. I’m sure the picture will be clearer in 6 months.

    East Boston must be a special case (today’s globe).

  9. Comment by John A Keith | 09/23/07 at 6:50 pm

    Robert, thank you for your

    comments.

    I’m familiar with the Globe story; I should be, since I was quoted in

    it!

    I noticed in the Globe article that the reporter didn’t provide any back-up for her

    claim that sales were down 18% in East Boston. And, she didn’t make any claims about

    prices.

    According to the Listing Information Network, there were 130 sales of condos in East

    Boston, between 1/1 and 8/31 2006 with a median selling price of $269,000 and average selling price

    of $283,000 and 125 sales of condos in East Boston, between 1/1 and 8/31 2007 with a median price

    of $275,000 and a average selling price of $264,000.

  10. Comment by John A Keith | 09/23/07 at 10:40 pm

    Oh, I just noticed that the Globe story does include sales data, my mistake. Yes, it

    shows a drop in median and average sales price in both East Boston and within the city as a

    whole.

    The Warren Group can be counted on to provide good data, so if they say there’s been

    a drop, who am I to contradict?

    In theory, LINK pulls the same data as the Warren Group, so

    there’s no explanation for the difference. (LINK pulls all sales from the Suffolk County Registry

    of Deeds, and I assume that the Warren Group does the same.)

    I think prices are about what

    they were, last year.

    I’m not sure what would drive the difference in data.

    Hmmm …

    although the graphs say that the Warren Group data is just for condos, it makes me wonder. The

    Warren Group data may be all home sales, both single-family and condos, whereas I always

    look at just condos.

    That’s my bias, but part of that is because I don’t follow the

    single-family home sales, since they are almost exclusively in the “outer-boroughs” of Boston

    (Roslindale, West Roxbury, and Hyde Park, for example).

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