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Breaking: S&P Case/Shiller index reports to cover condos in Boston

Last week, I heard Karl Case speak in front of a room of real estate agents. An audience member (not me) pointed out that his S&P Case/Shiller housing index has some serious limitations. For one thing, it doesn’t include condominiums, doesn’t include new home sales, and it only includes the top 20 metropolitan areas. Besides that, it’s perfect!

Professor Case’s response was, “There is an index for condos, check out the website.”

Well, it wasn’t there a week ago (I checked), but it will be, come Tuesday morning.

From the S&P website:

Standard & Poor’s, the world’s leading index provider and publisher of the widely followed S&P/Case-Shiller Home Price Indices, announced today that it will launch new indices designed to track condominium prices in five major metropolitan areas in the United States – Boston, Chicago, Los Angeles, New York and San Francisco. In addition, Standard & Poor’s will also publish seasonally-adjusted versions of the headline S&P/Case-Shiller Home Price Indices, covering the 20 MSAs, the 10-and 20-City Composites, and the National Composite, as well as seasonally-adjusted versions of the new condo indices.

“Prices for condominiums can behave differently than those for single family homes,” says David Blitzer, Managing Director & Chairman of the Index Committee at Standard and Poor’s.

“Having access to a broader range of indices will allow property owners, investors and others to better understand how these different residential property types behave, while also providing a more complete picture of the overall existing residential property market,” he says.

Hmmm. It’s not exactly clear if the new index will carry the Case/Shiller brand name; I assume not, since their names are not mentioned. w/e.

The condominium indices cover five major metropolitan areas and include historical data beginning in January 1995. The seasonally adjusted data will have the same history as its underlying index, which can begin as early as January 1987.

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5 Responses to “Breaking: S&P Case/Shiller index reports to cover condos in Boston” »»

  1. Comment by SoldAtTheTop | 11/25/08 at 10:08 pm

    All the indices are saying the same thing… in the Boston area, single family and condo prices are going down.

    The Radar Logic index for Boston and the traditional Boston CSI have a R-squared of .95 … that’s nearly perfectly correlated.

    Radar Logic index for Boston and the new Condo CSI for Boston have an r-squared of .93 … again that’s nearly perfectly correlated.

    Even the Boston-Quincy MSAs OFHEO HPI is nearly perfectly correlated to all the above mentioned three…

    Do you not get it at this point?

    All the data is telling you the same thing… Realtor medians and fancy indices alike…

    Prices are falling… what do you expect?

  2. Comment by John Keith | 11/25/08 at 10:40 pm

    Condo prices in the city of Boston are not falling.

    Condo prices in some of the neighborhoods in Boston are falling while some condo prices in some of the neighborhoods are rising.

    Thank you.

  3. Comment by SoldAtTheTop | 11/26/08 at 1:10 am

    Your making a classic behavioral mistake by taking a single metro market and pointing out neighborhoods here or there where you think it makes sense for prices to fall but finding others where you simply don’t believe they will fall (your neighborhood maybe?).

    It simply doesn’t work that way…

    As a agent you should know better… sellers make a similar error all the time when they think that their single or unit is somehow more worthy of a higher price than the neighbors just because of this or that random feature.

    Face the facts… the tide is going out in a really serious and fundamental way and ALL of the metro Boston area (as well as the whole of MA and beyond) will be dramatically affected.

    By the time this downturn troughs it will make the 90s bust look like a walk in the park and that bust was non too kind to condos.

  4. Comment by John Keith | 11/26/08 at 2:18 am

    No, you’re totally misunderstanding what I am saying.

    This blog is about what is happening and what has happened in the Boston real estate market.

    Condo prices have not fallen or remain flat in the city of Boston.

    Condo prices in the neighborhoods covered by agents who write on this blog have continued to rise. I have the data, right here.

    I never make a claim about which way prices would go in the future. All I do is report what’s happened in the past.

    You seem to be more of a crystal-ball reader than I am … “the tide is going out in a really serious and fundamental way and ALL of the metro Boston area (as well as the whole of MA and beyond) will be dramatically affected.

    By the time this downturn troughs it will make the 90s bust look like a walk in the park and that bust was non too kind to condos.”

    I have no idea what the future holds.

  5. Comment by anon | 11/26/08 at 7:41 pm

    “I have no idea what the future holds”

    So you have no opinion on where the market is headed????

    Curious, one would think a buyer would be interested in..oh I don’t know…if they about to get reamed…

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